As one of the greatest heels in the history of the business, Ric Flair knows exactly what it takes to be a bad guy. While guesting on The Ariel Helwani Show, Flair spoke about John Cena’s pivotal heel turn and explained why Cena as a villain hasn’t resonated with fans.

Flair was on combat sports journalist Ariel Helwani’s show to pay tribute to Hulk Hogan, who suddenly passed away last week. Flair was shocked by Hogan’s death, openly weeping in an interview with TMZ and telling Helwani he’d Facetimed the Hulkster just two weeks earlier.

As Flair and Helwani discussed Hogan’s iconic 1996 heel turn, where he revealed himself as the third man in the nWo, the discussion turned to Cena and his 2025 turn.

“It’s hard to measure the two,” Flair responded when he was asked to compare Hulk and Cena’s heel turns. “But I loved the thing with John. The thing about John… John is Ricky Steamboat. There’s nothing bad about John. Some guys like Jack Brisco, Ricky Steamboat, Sting and all that… they just can’t be a heel. John, as great as he is, he’s just not a bad guy. Hulk could be a prick, but it’s from all those years of battling for his spot. Everybody wanted Hulk’s spot.”

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Check out the full interview with Ric Flair below.

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